Lynn Zubernis & Katherine Larsen, Fandom at the Crossroads: Celebration, Shame and Fan/Producer Relationships: Okay, let’s get this out of the way: I couldn’t read this book as an academic, only as a fan. My own shame/squick issues were so profoundly present during my reading, because the book focuses both on fannish shame and on actual interviews with people involved in producing SPN to see what they think about fandom, that some identificatory switch was flipped; I even felt that the occasional typos were my typos. (Also, I am quoted.)

That said, I felt that the book was a dead-on description of various kinds of fannishness—the fannishness explicitly rejecting shame and the fannishness that is both ashamed and excited—and the kinds of inter-fan and fan/producer interactions that the variations produce, including lots of policing of what other fans do. During one of the discussions of “inappropriate” fan behavior (as defined by other fans), I started thinking: what’s been theorized about groupies? Does Cynthia Plaster Caster become appropriate because she and the band share enough overlapping interests? I’m guessing other fans thought she was inappropriate. Also, when are producers of content with fan followings behaving inappropriately, or is inappropriateness just for fans? That’s an argument into which I see counteragent’s comic about SPN fandom and officialdom fitting. The authors are very positive both about fandom in general and about the people who produce SPN, so they understandably don’t go in that direction (though they briefly mention that thing Eli Roth did where he broke the fan/star boundary in a very public way). I feel the same protectiveness myself for fandom.

Also, though please know that I am totally aware of the contradictions here, I came out of the book respecting Jared Padalecki, whose stance on fan/celebrity interactions is both thoughtful and also recursive all-Cretans-are-liars genius. He states outright that he performs a “Jared” for the fans and that he has a separate self for his actual intimates, and that he equally wants the fans to remain a bit mysterious to him. Now, suppose he actually (whatever that might mean) has great contempt for fans instead of the appreciation he professes—he’s still telling the truth! He just told you that he was going to lie! Or suppose he actually is exactly as he seems to be onstage--he's still telling the truth!  He told you he was going to protect his true self, and he did so by hiding it in plain sight!  I love it.  (But I still don't want to meet him, because that's my squick!)  Secondarily, I found Eric Kripke’s reaction to reading RPF featuring him quite Golden Rule-ish: after his initial reaction of “that’s not right!” he pointed out that he’d been writing real people into his shows—Samuel Colt, for one—with blithe unconcern for facts too. As he put it, the writer was using a “façade” of him “because underneath, it’s all them.” Also, Sera Gamble apparently wrote Twin Peaks fanfic—but we don’t get the quote, just the statement that she “confess[ed]” to it.
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Also, though please know that I am totally aware of the contradictions here, I came out of the book respecting Jared Padalecki, whose stance on fan/celebrity interactions is both thoughtful and also recursive all-Cretans-are-liars genius. He states outright that he performs a “Jared” for the fans and that he has a separate self for his actual intimates, and that he equally wants the fans to remain a bit mysterious to him. Now, suppose he actually (whatever that might mean) has great contempt for fans instead of the appreciation he professes—he’s still telling the truth! He just told you that he was going to lie! Or suppose he actually is exactly as he seems to be onstage--he's still telling the truth! He told you he was going to protect his true self, and he did so by hiding it in plain sight! I love it.


Jared 'Schrödinger's cat' Padalecki. :)
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Interesting, I might have to check it out. I've been thinking about a lot of this lately because of Teen Wolf and Sherlock and what's been going on with fan interaction. For me, the line is way, way back, both because I don't have any interest in interacting with the real people and because it just seems like it's always disaster in the making. I Can't remember where I saw this but someone tweeted Patrick Stump asking if he 'believed' in Petrick(think that's the portmanteau for him and Pete Wentz) and he tweeted back something like 'I can't believe I even know this, but I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to ask me about this.' I thought it was interesting, not that he knew about the RPF fandom but that he'd been coached on appropriate fan behavior. I also thought it was a lovely, diplomatic way to handle it.

As far as Jared's comments, it was a pretty great answer but then again, I always think everybody is performing a version of themselves for the fans, that's why RPF doesn't bother me, they're still just characters in a sense. Hell I'm not famous at all, but I work in the hospitality industry and you better believe I perform a version of myself for my guests and often my co-workers.
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Took a look at amazon -- is this thing supposed to be sixty bucks?!?

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I read on their website that there's going to be a paperback version at some point...
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I enjoyed reading your response to this. And even if the producers of the content are presenting the public with a chosen version of themselves, I appreciate their willingness to take the time to engage with the fans in a respectful manner, and to seemingly put thought into their responses. I'm also looking forward to reading Fangasm, whenever it comes out.
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Okay, WOW. I am glad this book exists. And I am bound to have similar issues reading it.

And FTR, I am also squicked about meeting famous people. In fact, it has gotten so that I don't like to meet people with the same first names as famous people, less I start picturing them whilst reading fic. *shudder*
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